Discussion:
Fretless fingerboards: rosewood vs. ebony vs. ebonol
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Andy_V
2004-06-27 19:31:39 UTC
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Hi fretless players,

Just wondered what you thought made for the best fretless fingerboard?

- Maple just doesn't seem to work - it doesn't 'take' the string.
- Rosewood is the most common but is it hard wearing?
- Ebony is more expensive but is it better?
- And what about artificial materials like ebonol? How does that
feel, sound and last?

Over to you guys. What do you think? I'm in the market for a fretless
but need the benefit of your advice/experience...
cyberbass5
2004-06-27 19:46:29 UTC
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Try out a Zon fretless if you can...they are hard to beat. They make a
"resin impregnated" birch material they call "phenowood." Feels like wood,
but is harder than glass.

Here it is in action...

http://peterduncan.net/Wants%20and%20Needs_promo.mp3

If you are in the market for a 4 string, I would snatch this up ASAP!!

http://bassnw.com/New%20Exotic%20%20Basses/zon_sonus_fretless_4_st_koa.htm
Post by Andy_V
Hi fretless players,
Just wondered what you thought made for the best fretless fingerboard?
- Maple just doesn't seem to work - it doesn't 'take' the string.
- Rosewood is the most common but is it hard wearing?
- Ebony is more expensive but is it better?
- And what about artificial materials like ebonol? How does that
feel, sound and last?
Over to you guys. What do you think? I'm in the market for a fretless
but need the benefit of your advice/experience...
John Shaughnessy
2004-06-27 20:23:33 UTC
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Best fretbard materials I've found:

Ebony (hands down my favorite)

Diamondwood (a synthetic material)

treated maple (lacquer, poly, etc)

I'm not a fan of rosewood fingerboards at all - it's too soft and muddy
sounding to me, plus roundwounds will chew the shit out of it in no time.
Ebonol sounds good, but doesn't have near the tone or strength of
Diamondwood.

The neck material makes a difference too. Maple will give you more of a
bright snap, whereas wenge or mahogany will give you a warm, woody tone.
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Post by Andy_V
Hi fretless players,
Just wondered what you thought made for the best fretless fingerboard?
- Maple just doesn't seem to work - it doesn't 'take' the string.
- Rosewood is the most common but is it hard wearing?
- Ebony is more expensive but is it better?
- And what about artificial materials like ebonol? How does that
feel, sound and last?
Over to you guys. What do you think? I'm in the market for a fretless
but need the benefit of your advice/experience...
sfbassplayer
2004-06-28 04:33:18 UTC
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I have fretless basses with ebony (Lakland, my upright), pink ivory
(Elrick), and "Diamondwood" (Roscoe) fretboards.

Based on the type of sound I prefer now (a little lees midrangy, more
bottom end, but "woody"), I tend to run different brand nickel
roundwounds on all 3 basses.

The ebony fretboard on the Lakland is really nice and has a lot of
flexibility on tone with the on-board electronics they provide. There
are a few dead spots, which are just to be expected with real wood
fretboards. With the roundwonds, I have to give the fretboard a slight
clean-up job every year just to keep the radius clean. I haven't
treated this fingerboard with anything either. (FWIW, my fretted
Lakland is also ebony, which I really like)

The pink ivory fretboard on the Elrick seems slightly more dense, but
I also put a few coats of Stewarts MacDonalds oil based fretboard
treatment on as well last year. It still has a warm "woody" tone to
it, and Rob Elrick puts a nice mid-EQ switch on his basses which is
flexible for use with the fretless.

The reality with wood fretboards and roundwounds is that you have to
do a little maintenance every year or so, unless you treat the
fretboard.

The Diamondwood fretboard on the Roscoe is the best if you want no
deadspots, no maintenance option for a fretboard. It also has a
different tone than the real wood options, so hopefully that is what
you are looking for. I would say it tends to be more midrangy with a
little more pronounced "MWAH" sound.

One of the reasons I chose the Roscoe is that they use maple for their
necks. Personally, I highly prefer wood necks.

Part of the sound of a fretless is the string articulated against the
fretboard, so choice of wood vs. something else will change the
overall sound. A string plucked against something drenched in resin or
poly-somethingorother will always be more "bright" than real wood.

Right now, my favorite bass is my Elrick.

As always, the best thing to do is try as many basses as you can until
you feel and hear what you like.
Post by Andy_V
Hi fretless players,
Just wondered what you thought made for the best fretless fingerboard?
- Maple just doesn't seem to work - it doesn't 'take' the string.
- Rosewood is the most common but is it hard wearing?
- Ebony is more expensive but is it better?
- And what about artificial materials like ebonol? How does that
feel, sound and last?
Over to you guys. What do you think? I'm in the market for a fretless
but need the benefit of your advice/experience...
Veronica Merryfield
2004-06-28 11:59:28 UTC
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Ebony every time.

It is hard enough to take the wear - my own made fretless has lasted 20
years (some weeks playing twice, others none) so I'd say medium use.

I have tried softer woods but they don't take the wear and sound a bit
muddy, and I have tried some synthetics and they jsut don't sound the same -
they can lead to a 'clinky' sound rather than a softer fretless sound
without the muddy.

The neck material does make a difference as well as another poster has
pointed out.

--
Veronica Merryfield, somewhere in Cambridgeshire, UK
Post by Andy_V
Hi fretless players,
Just wondered what you thought made for the best fretless fingerboard?
- Maple just doesn't seem to work - it doesn't 'take' the string.
- Rosewood is the most common but is it hard wearing?
- Ebony is more expensive but is it better?
- And what about artificial materials like ebonol? How does that
feel, sound and last?
Over to you guys. What do you think? I'm in the market for a fretless
but need the benefit of your advice/experience...
cyberbass5
2004-06-28 12:14:47 UTC
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If you like ebony, then you would like phenowood.
Post by Veronica Merryfield
Ebony every time.
It is hard enough to take the wear - my own made fretless has lasted 20
years (some weeks playing twice, others none) so I'd say medium use.
I have tried softer woods but they don't take the wear and sound a bit
muddy, and I have tried some synthetics and they jsut don't sound the same -
they can lead to a 'clinky' sound rather than a softer fretless sound
without the muddy.
The neck material does make a difference as well as another poster has
pointed out.
--
Veronica Merryfield, somewhere in Cambridgeshire, UK
Post by Andy_V
Hi fretless players,
Just wondered what you thought made for the best fretless fingerboard?
- Maple just doesn't seem to work - it doesn't 'take' the string.
- Rosewood is the most common but is it hard wearing?
- Ebony is more expensive but is it better?
- And what about artificial materials like ebonol? How does that
feel, sound and last?
Over to you guys. What do you think? I'm in the market for a fretless
but need the benefit of your advice/experience...
speddling
2004-06-28 13:53:30 UTC
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Post by Andy_V
- Maple just doesn't seem to work - it doesn't 'take' the string.
I'm not sure what you mean on that... but my "stabilized Bird's eye"
board from Galleryhardwoods.com is the best feeling board I've ever played!

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I believe they impregnate the wood with silicon... still feels like wood .
John
2004-06-28 16:04:15 UTC
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My main fretless (Sukop) has a wenge fingerboard. I've been gigging with it
almost every weekend for three years using ground-wounds and it's held up very
well with no corrective maintenance.


My band's site:
www.strongerthandirt.com
sfbassplayer
2004-06-29 02:54:38 UTC
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Wow, a wenge fretless fingerboard ... that's the first I heard of that
... does it have a wenge neck as well?

Wenge has such an open grain, I'd have to imagine the fretboard is
treated with something ... is it?

Like to hear how that sounds on it's own.

If it sounds anything like an MTD fretted wengle/wenge neck, then
it's has some really interesting upper midrange character.
Post by John
My main fretless (Sukop) has a wenge fingerboard. I've been gigging with it
almost every weekend for three years using ground-wounds and it's held up very
well with no corrective maintenance.
www.strongerthandirt.com
John
2004-06-29 13:35:53 UTC
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<<Wow, a wenge fretless fingerboard ... that's the first I heard of that
... does it have a wenge neck as well?>> (sfbassplayer)

The neck is maple with purpleheart and walnut stringers. The tone is fantastic.


Besides Sukop, Warwick has been using wenge fingerboards for years.

<<Wenge has such an open grain, I'd have to imagine the fretboard is
treated with something ... is it?>>

The Sukop's fingerboard is sealed, though I'm not sure with what, so the open
grain is filled.


My band's site:
www.strongerthandirt.com
Kloka-mo'
2004-06-30 02:42:43 UTC
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Post by John
Besides Sukop, Warwick has been using wenge fingerboards for years.
Yea, but not on their fretless. Ebony fretless boards.
Post by John
<<Wenge has such an open grain, I'd have to imagine the fretboard is
treated with something ... is it?>>
The Sukop's fingerboard is sealed, though I'm not sure with what, so the open
grain is filled.
www.strongerthandirt.com
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John Shaughnessy
2004-06-29 00:15:54 UTC
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Wow, very unusual. Is that a one-piece maple neck, or an actual maple
fingerboard laminated to some other wood?
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Post by speddling
Post by Andy_V
- Maple just doesn't seem to work - it doesn't 'take' the string.
I'm not sure what you mean on that... but my "stabilized Bird's eye"
board from Galleryhardwoods.com is the best feeling board I've ever played!
http://www.hartsafire.com/images/music/benavente51/95.JPG
I believe they impregnate the wood with silicon... still feels like wood .
speddling
2004-06-29 14:43:43 UTC
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Post by John Shaughnessy
Wow, very unusual. Is that a one-piece maple neck, or an actual maple
fingerboard laminated to some other wood?
Thanks 8-)

It's a one piece quartersawn maple neck with a stabilized birds eye
maple fingerboard. FYI: the body is Ash and the pickup and pre were
built to Chris Benavente's specs by John Suhr.

more pictures / info / sounds are here
http://www.hartsafire.com/benavente.htm
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