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Info on Shaftesbury Ned Callan Bass?
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j***@hotmail.com
2007-02-23 11:14:13 UTC
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Hi,
I'm planning to buy a Shaftesbury Ned Callan bass (made in UK, early
70's).

Does any of you know any resources regarding to the bass? Google did
not find anything usable.

Do you happen to own one? Any reviews, opinions, anyhting...?

The bass looks like this (I'm bying a four string version)..
http://www.shergold.co.uk/collection.html?detail=EntwistleNC6

Mike Oldfield is holding one here...
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Thanks
J
Clive - Selectron
2007-02-23 16:34:26 UTC
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Woah!!!
Shaftesbury was a brand name covering a lot of
different big name knock-offs during that period
when just about anything got copied by the Japanese
and no-one seemed to care.

NOT made in England...the original NC bass was.

A nothing special Japanese-made bass, probably
screwed together by Matsumoki or one of the
other jobbing builders of that era and distributed in the UK
by the now defunct Rose-Morris company...
I think.
Not expensive but OK for the money and not
a collector's item I'd have thought.
Don't get burnt...it's a Japanese knock off .
--
Clive P Norris
Managing Director
Selectron (UK) Ltd
Musical Equipment Distribution.
www.skullstrings.com
www.espguitars.co.uk
www.emgpickups.co.uk
www.tube-shop.com
www.coreoneproduct.com
www.whirlwindusa.com
www.espshop.co.uk
Post by j***@hotmail.com
Hi,
I'm planning to buy a Shaftesbury Ned Callan bass (made in UK, early
70's).
Does any of you know any resources regarding to the bass? Google did
not find anything usable.
Do you happen to own one? Any reviews, opinions, anyhting...?
The bass looks like this (I'm bying a four string version)..
http://www.shergold.co.uk/collection.html?detail=EntwistleNC6
Mike Oldfield is holding one here...
http://tubular.net/instruments/photos/Shaftesbury_Ned_Callan_Cody_Bass.jpg
Thanks
J
j***@hotmail.com
2007-02-23 17:50:43 UTC
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OK, thanks for the info.

I have not seen the bass. The seller of the bass said that it is was
made in england.

That bass is in Finland and it came here from Sweden. That's about all
I know about the history.

I have the serial number. I don't know if any info can be found based
on that..

Regards
J
Post by Clive - Selectron
Woah!!!
Shaftesbury was a brand name covering a lot of
different big name knock-offs during that period
when just about anything got copied by the Japanese
and no-one seemed to care.
NOT made in England...the original NC bass was.
A nothing special Japanese-made bass, probably
screwed together by Matsumoki or one of the
other jobbing builders of that era and distributed in the UK
by the now defunct Rose-Morris company...
I think.
Not expensive but OK for the money and not
a collector's item I'd have thought.
Don't get burnt...it's a Japanese knock off .
--
Clive P Norris
Managing Director
Selectron (UK) Ltd
Musical Equipment Distribution.www.skullstrings.comwww.espguitars.co.ukwww.emgpickups.co.ukwww.tube-shop.comwww.coreoneproduct.comwww.whirlwindusa.comwww.espshop.co.uk
Hi,
I'm planning to buy a ShaftesburyNedCallanbass (made in UK, early
70's).
Does any of you know any resources regarding to the bass? Google did
not find anything usable.
Do you happen to own one? Any reviews, opinions, anyhting...?
The bass looks like this (I'm bying a four string version)..
http://www.shergold.co.uk/collection.html?detail=EntwistleNC6
Mike Oldfield is holding one here...
http://tubular.net/instruments/photos/Shaftesbury_Ned_Callan_Cody_Bas...
Thanks
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Clive
2007-02-23 19:26:47 UTC
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The serial number won't help.
I had a shop during the 70's and 80's and sold
Shaftesbury guitars and basses.

They were all copies made in Japan, some of
the real cheapies were made in Italy.

They were distributed by Rose Morris whose
premises were in Shaftesbury Avenue, London
hence the name.

Shergold made the NC and were still in business
during that period and would not have put
'Shaftesbury' on them...way too down market.

I searched Google and found an NC for sale,
totally not original and the ad stated it was made by
Peter Cook under the Shaftesbury name which does
not make any sense and I do not recall seeing any
mention of such a tie up in the catalogue at the time.

Being a bass player that would have been of interest to me.
Interestingly the photo showed the bass with the truss
rod cover missing which would have had the S/bury name
on it.

Peter Cook made Strats, Teles and P+J basses from
Mighty Mite parts in those days...we sold those too and
he never mentioned that scenario to me.

Bottom line...the only genuine NC to the best of my knowledge
was made exclusively by Shergold.
Caveat emptor
--
Clive Norris
Managing Director
Selectron (UK) Ltd
www.espguitars.co.uk
www.espshop.co.uk
www.mightymite.com
www.emgpickups.co.uk
www.tube-shop.com
www.whirlwindusa.com
www.deanmarkley.com
"Those who can make you
believe absurdities can make
you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire

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OK, thanks for the info.

I have not seen the bass. The seller of the bass said that it is was
made in england.

That bass is in Finland and it came here from Sweden. That's about all
I know about the history.

I have the serial number. I don't know if any info can be found based
on that..

Regards
J
Post by Clive - Selectron
Woah!!!
Shaftesbury was a brand name covering a lot of
different big name knock-offs during that period
when just about anything got copied by the Japanese
and no-one seemed to care.
NOT made in England...the original NC bass was.
A nothing special Japanese-made bass, probably
screwed together by Matsumoki or one of the
other jobbing builders of that era and distributed in the UK
by the now defunct Rose-Morris company...
I think.
Not expensive but OK for the money and not
a collector's item I'd have thought.
Don't get burnt...it's a Japanese knock off .
--
Clive P Norris
Managing Director
Selectron (UK) Ltd
Musical Equipment
Distribution.www.skullstrings.comwww.espguitars.co.ukwww.emgpickups.co.ukwww.tube-shop.comwww.coreoneproduct.comwww.whirlwindusa.comwww.espshop.co.uk
Hi,
I'm planning to buy a ShaftesburyNedCallanbass (made in UK, early
70's).
Does any of you know any resources regarding to the bass? Google did
not find anything usable.
Do you happen to own one? Any reviews, opinions, anyhting...?
The bass looks like this (I'm bying a four string version)..
http://www.shergold.co.uk/collection.html?detail=EntwistleNC6
Mike Oldfield is holding one here...
http://tubular.net/instruments/photos/Shaftesbury_Ned_Callan_Cody_Bas...
Thanks
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j***@hotmail.com
2007-02-23 22:32:51 UTC
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Thanks again Clive.

This is really helpful information.

I'm still interested in buying the bass, but I guess that I need to
reconsider the price that I'm willing to pay for it. Actually, it's
not very expensive to start with but one of the main reasons that I
wanted it was because I thought that it was made in England.

It looks cool to me and I'll have a discussion about the price
tomorrow.
Thanks,
J
Post by Clive
The serial number won't help.
I had a shop during the 70's and 80's and sold
Shaftesbury guitars and basses.
They were all copies made in Japan, some of
the real cheapies were made in Italy.
They were distributed by Rose Morris whose
premises were in Shaftesbury Avenue, London
hence the name.
Shergold made the NC and were still in business
during that period and would not have put
'Shaftesbury' on them...way too down market.
I searched Google and found an NC for sale,
totally not original and the ad stated it was made by
Peter Cook under the Shaftesbury name which does
not make any sense and I do not recall seeing any
mention of such a tie up in the catalogue at the time.
Being a bass player that would have been of interest to me.
Interestingly the photo showed the bass with the truss
rod cover missing which would have had the S/bury name
on it.
Peter Cook made Strats, Teles and P+J basses from
Mighty Mite parts in those days...we sold those too and
he never mentioned that scenario to me.
Bottom line...the only genuine NC to the best of my knowledge
was made exclusively by Shergold.
Caveat emptor
--
Clive Norris
Managing Director
Selectron (UK) Ltdwww.espguitars.co.ukwww.espshop.co.ukwww.mightymite.comwww.emgpickups.co.ukwww.tube-shop.comwww.whirlwindusa.comwww.deanmarkley.com
"Those who can make you
believe absurdities can make
you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
OK, thanks for the info.
I have not seen the bass. The seller of the bass said that it is was
made in england.
That bass is in Finland and it came here from Sweden. That's about all
I know about the history.
I have the serial number. I don't know if any info can be found based
on that..
Regards
J
Post by Clive - Selectron
Woah!!!
Shaftesbury was a brand name covering a lot of
different big name knock-offs during that period
when just about anything got copied by the Japanese
and no-one seemed to care.
NOT made in England...the original NC bass was.
A nothing special Japanese-made bass, probably
screwed together by Matsumoki or one of the
other jobbing builders of that era and distributed in the UK
by the now defunct Rose-Morris company...
I think.
Not expensive but OK for the money and not
a collector's item I'd have thought.
Don't get burnt...it's a Japanese knock off .
--
Clive P Norris
Managing Director
Selectron (UK) Ltd
Musical Equipment
Distribution.www.skullstrings.comwww.espguitars.co.ukwww.emgpickups.co.ukwww.tube-...
Hi,
I'm planning to buy a ShaftesburyNedCallanbass (made in UK, early
70's).
Does any of you know any resources regarding to the bass? Google did
not find anything usable.
Do you happen to own one? Any reviews, opinions, anyhting...?
The bass looks like this (I'm bying a four string version)..
http://www.shergold.co.uk/collection.html?detail=EntwistleNC6
Mike Oldfield is holding one here...
http://tubular.net/instruments/photos/Shaftesbury_Ned_Callan_Cody_Bas...
Thanks
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j***@hotmail.com
2007-02-26 13:40:47 UTC
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There's some new information on the bass...

First..
it's Ned Callan Cody (well, you probably saw the pictures anyway)

Second..
according to the seller it says "Made in Britain" in the neck of the
bass.

Does it prove anything? I don't know..

Regards
J
Post by j***@hotmail.com
Thanks again Clive.
This is really helpful information.
I'm still interested in buying thebass, but I guess that I need to
reconsider the price that I'm willing to pay for it. Actually, it's
not very expensive to start with but one of the main reasons that I
wanted it was because I thought that it was made in England.
It looks cool to me and I'll have a discussion about the price
tomorrow.
Thanks,
J
Post by Clive
The serial number won't help.
I had a shop during the 70's and 80's and sold
Shaftesbury guitars and basses.
They were all copies made in Japan, some of
the real cheapies were made in Italy.
They were distributed by Rose Morris whose
premises were in Shaftesbury Avenue, London
hence the name.
Shergold made the NC and were still in business
during that period and would not have put
'Shaftesbury' on them...way too down market.
I searched Google and found an NC for sale,
totally not original and the ad stated it was made by
Peter Cook under the Shaftesbury name which does
not make any sense and I do not recall seeing any
mention of such a tie up in the catalogue at the time.
Being abassplayer that would have been of interest to me.
Interestingly the photo showed thebasswith the truss
rod cover missing which would have had the S/bury name
on it.
Peter Cook made Strats, Teles and P+J basses from
Mighty Mite parts in those days...we sold those too and
he never mentioned that scenario to me.
Bottom line...the only genuine NC to the best of my knowledge
was made exclusively by Shergold.
Caveat emptor
--
Clive Norris
Managing Director
Selectron (UK) Ltdwww.espguitars.co.ukwww.espshop.co.ukwww.mightymite.comwww.emgpickups...
"Those who can make you
believe absurdities can make
you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
OK, thanks for the info.
I have not seen thebass. The seller of thebasssaid that it is was
made in england.
Thatbassis in Finland and it came here from Sweden. That's about all
I know about the history.
I have the serial number. I don't know if any info can be found based
on that..
Regards
J
Post by Clive - Selectron
Woah!!!
Shaftesbury was a brand name covering a lot of
different big name knock-offs during that period
when just about anything got copied by the Japanese
and no-one seemed to care.
NOT made in England...the original NCbasswas.
A nothing special Japanese-madebass, probably
screwed together by Matsumoki or one of the
other jobbing builders of that era and distributed in the UK
by the now defunct Rose-Morris company...
I think.
Not expensive but OK for the money and not
a collector's item I'd have thought.
Don't get burnt...it's a Japanese knock off .
--
Clive P Norris
Managing Director
Selectron (UK) Ltd
Musical Equipment
Distribution.www.skullstrings.comwww.espguitars.co.ukwww.emgpickups.co.ukwww.tube-...
Hi,
I'm planning to buy a ShaftesburyNedCallanbass (made in UK, early
70's).
Does any of you know any resources regarding to thebass? Google did
not find anything usable.
Do you happen to own one? Any reviews, opinions, anyhting...?
Thebasslooks like this (I'm bying a four string version)..
http://www.shergold.co.uk/collection.html?detail=EntwistleNC6
Mike Oldfield is holding one here...
http://tubular.net/instruments/photos/Shaftesbury_Ned_Callan_Cody_Bas...
Thanks
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j***@hotmail.com
2007-02-26 19:06:13 UTC
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I'm still hoping that it might be made in Britain.. ;-)

This is a quote from a web page I found..

"Shaftesbury
See also Ned Callan. Instruments previously manufactured in Italy and
Japan from the late 1960s to the early 1980s. One English-built model
was produced during the overall time period."

http://store.bluebookinc.com/download/Category.aspx?product=ELECTRIC&id=869

Another one..see last sentence

"Shaftesbury - Japan/Italy/UK. 1969-80. UK importer brand name.
Italian & Japanese production was mid/good quality copies of solids &
semis. UK production was of Ned Callan designed solids."

http://www.guitarasia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=495&start=0

Hmm..and the neck said made in britain...could it be made in England?

Any opinions anyone..? I must be talkin to myself... ;-)
Post by j***@hotmail.com
There's some new information on the bass...
First..
it'sNedCallanCody (well, you probably saw the pictures anyway)
Second..
according to the seller it says "Made in Britain" in the neck of the
bass.
Does it prove anything? I don't know..
Regards
J
Post by j***@hotmail.com
Thanks again Clive.
This is really helpful information.
I'm still interested in buying thebass, but I guess that I need to
reconsider the price that I'm willing to pay for it. Actually, it's
not very expensive to start with but one of the main reasons that I
wanted it was because I thought that it was made in England.
It looks cool to me and I'll have a discussion about the price
tomorrow.
Thanks,
J
Post by Clive
The serial number won't help.
I had a shop during the 70's and 80's and sold
Shaftesbury guitars and basses.
They were all copies made in Japan, some of
the real cheapies were made in Italy.
They were distributed by Rose Morris whose
premises were in Shaftesbury Avenue, London
hence the name.
Shergold made the NC and were still in business
during that period and would not have put
'Shaftesbury' on them...way too down market.
I searched Google and found an NC for sale,
totally not original and the ad stated it was made by
Peter Cook under the Shaftesbury name which does
not make any sense and I do not recall seeing any
mention of such a tie up in the catalogue at the time.
Being abassplayer that would have been of interest to me.
Interestingly the photo showed thebasswith the truss
rod cover missing which would have had the S/bury name
on it.
Peter Cook made Strats, Teles and P+J basses from
Mighty Mite parts in those days...we sold those too and
he never mentioned that scenario to me.
Bottom line...the only genuine NC to the best of my knowledge
was made exclusively by Shergold.
Caveat emptor
--
Clive Norris
Managing Director
Selectron (UK) Ltdwww.espguitars.co.ukwww.espshop.co.ukwww.mightymite.comwww.emgpickups...
"Those who can make you
believe absurdities can make
you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
OK, thanks for the info.
I have not seen thebass. The seller of thebasssaid that it is was
made in england.
Thatbassis in Finland and it came here from Sweden. That's about all
I know about the history.
I have the serial number. I don't know if any info can be found based
on that..
Regards
J
Post by Clive - Selectron
Woah!!!
Shaftesbury was a brand name covering a lot of
different big name knock-offs during that period
when just about anything got copied by the Japanese
and no-one seemed to care.
NOT made in England...the original NCbasswas.
A nothing special Japanese-madebass, probably
screwed together by Matsumoki or one of the
other jobbing builders of that era and distributed in the UK
by the now defunct Rose-Morris company...
I think.
Not expensive but OK for the money and not
a collector's item I'd have thought.
Don't get burnt...it's a Japanese knock off .
--
Clive P Norris
Managing Director
Selectron (UK) Ltd
Musical Equipment
Distribution.www.skullstrings.comwww.espguitars.co.ukwww.emgpickups.co.ukwww.tube-...
Hi,
I'm planning to buy a ShaftesburyNedCallanbass (made in UK, early
70's).
Does any of you know any resources regarding to thebass? Google did
not find anything usable.
Do you happen to own one? Any reviews, opinions, anyhting...?
Thebasslooks like this (I'm bying a four string version)..
http://www.shergold.co.uk/collection.html?detail=EntwistleNC6
Mike Oldfield is holding one here...
http://tubular.net/instruments/photos/Shaftesbury_Ned_Callan_Cody_Bas...
Thanks
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