OT: We are/are not winning in Iraq

[GENOMEMAN]

Read this excerpt from one of the leading member of Ansar al-Islam, Abu
Musab Zarqawi:

"We can pack up and leave and look for another land, just like what has
happened in so many lands of jihad," the memo states, according to the
Times. "Our enemy is growing stronger day after day, and its intelligence
information increases. ... By God, this is suffocation."

Full Text:

http://washingtontimes.com/national/20040209-111042-9241r.htm

Personally, I think this letter shows they are desperate, and "packing up"
like so many libs want us to do, would allow the terrorists to declare
victory.

Discuss....

[Chris Whealy]

Post by GENOMEMAN
Personally, I think this letter shows they are desperate, and "packing up"
like so many libs want us to do, would allow the terrorists to declare
victory.
Discuss....

No, this is an audio NG.

[John Shaughnessy]

I posted this in an earlier thread, and this is the last I'm going to speak
on it here:

Just like the Palestinians have been "losing" for 50 years? Just like the
IRA "lost" the Troubles? Look what both have gained, and how much damage the
inflicted on their opponents. Unlike your typical John Wayne movie,
Terrorists don't care about conventional "win/lose" notions.


And you convieniently forget the daily US body count:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/02/16/sprj.nirq.main/index.html

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- An Iraqi child and two U.S. soldiers died in three
separate explosions Monday in Iraq, coalition and Iraqi officials said.

An explosion at an elementary school in the Khadimiya district of Baghdad
just before 3 p.m. ( 7 a.m. ET) Monday killed the child and critically
wounded two others, according to Iraqi Police Brigadier General Thamir
Sadoun.

The latest deaths bring the number of U.S. troops killed during Operation
Iraqi Freedom to 542 -- 376 under hostile circumstances, according to U.S.
military figures.

And what about this? Doesn't sound like they're on the run to me:

http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/0204/14irattack.html

FALLUJAH, Iraq -- Guerrillas shouting "God is great" launched a bold
daylight assault on an Iraqi police station and security compound west of
Baghdad on Saturday, freeing prisoners and sparking a gunbattle that killed
21 people and wounded 33, police and hospital officials said.

The attackers freed 75 prisoners held at the station, killing the guards and
shooting open the cell doors, police Lt. Col. Jalal Sabri said. The
prisoners were criminals - most arrested for murder or theft - and none of
them were suspected of involvement in the anti-U.S. insurgency, Sabri said.











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Post by GENOMEMAN
Read this excerpt from one of the leading member of Ansar al-Islam, Abu
"We can pack up and leave and look for another land, just like what has
happened in so many lands of jihad," the memo states, according to the
Times. "Our enemy is growing stronger day after day, and its intelligence
information increases. ... By God, this is suffocation."
http://washingtontimes.com/national/20040209-111042-9241r.htm
Personally, I think this letter shows they are desperate, and "packing up"
like so many libs want us to do, would allow the terrorists to declare
victory.
Discuss....

[GENOMEMAN]

Post by John Shaughnessy
I posted this in an earlier thread, and this is the last I'm going to speak
Just like the Palestinians have been "losing" for 50 years?

Except the Iraqis aren't signing up for martyrdom like the terrorists wanted
them to. It says so right in his letter.

According to the Times - whose correspondent, Dexter Filkins, saw both the
Arabic original and a military translation, and "wrote down large parts of
the translation" - the letter is a sort of jihadist primal scream. It says
that the jihad against the Americans in Iraq is going badly. The Iraqis are
not signing up for martyrdom or jihad, they do not even permit the jihadis
to organize their terrorist attacks from local houses, and, worst of all,
the Americans are not afraid of the terrorists. With that charming neglect
of logic that seems to define much of the radical terrorist "mind," Zarkawi
says both that the Americans "are the biggest cowards that God has created,"
and that "America...has no intention of leaving, no matter how many wounded
nor how bloody it becomes."

[Brad Johnson]

Yes, this is clearly "almost" over.

How soon before it's "over", pd?

Brad

Subject: Re: We are/are not winning in Iraq
Date: 2/16/2004 9:23 AM Eastern Standard Time
I posted this in an earlier thread, and this is the last I'm going to speak
Just like the Palestinians have been "losing" for 50 years? Just like the
IRA "lost" the Troubles? Look what both have gained, and how much damage the
inflicted on their opponents. Unlike your typical John Wayne movie,
Terrorists don't care about conventional "win/lose" notions.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/02/16/sprj.nirq.main/index.html
BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- An Iraqi child and two U.S. soldiers died in three
separate explosions Monday in Iraq, coalition and Iraqi officials said.
An explosion at an elementary school in the Khadimiya district of Baghdad
just before 3 p.m. ( 7 a.m. ET) Monday killed the child and critically
wounded two others, according to Iraqi Police Brigadier General Thamir
Sadoun.
The latest deaths bring the number of U.S. troops killed during Operation
Iraqi Freedom to 542 -- 376 under hostile circumstances, according to U.S.
military figures.
http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/0204/14irattack.html
FALLUJAH, Iraq -- Guerrillas shouting "God is great" launched a bold
daylight assault on an Iraqi police station and security compound west of
Baghdad on Saturday, freeing prisoners and sparking a gunbattle that killed
21 people and wounded 33, police and hospital officials said.
The attackers freed 75 prisoners held at the station, killing the guards and
shooting open the cell doors, police Lt. Col. Jalal Sabri said. The
prisoners were criminals - most arrested for murder or theft - and none of
them were suspected of involvement in the anti-U.S. insurgency, Sabri said.
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Post by GENOMEMAN
Read this excerpt from one of the leading member of Ansar al-Islam, Abu
"We can pack up and leave and look for another land, just like what has
happened in so many lands of jihad," the memo states, according to the
Times. "Our enemy is growing stronger day after day, and its intelligence
information increases. ... By God, this is suffocation."
http://washingtontimes.com/national/20040209-111042-9241r.htm
Personally, I think this letter shows they are desperate, and "packing up"
like so many libs want us to do, would allow the terrorists to declare
victory.
Discuss....

[DJ]

Unlike your typical John Wayne movie,
Terrorists don't care about conventional "win/lose" notions.

...........and unlike your typical liberal weenies, we won't try to appease
them when they commit cold blooded murder.

Post by John Shaughnessy
I posted this in an earlier thread, and this is the last I'm going to speak
Just like the Palestinians have been "losing" for 50 years? Just like the
IRA "lost" the Troubles? Look what both have gained, and how much damage the
inflicted on their opponents. Unlike your typical John Wayne movie,
Terrorists don't care about conventional "win/lose" notions.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/02/16/sprj.nirq.main/index.html
BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- An Iraqi child and two U.S. soldiers died in three
separate explosions Monday in Iraq, coalition and Iraqi officials said.
An explosion at an elementary school in the Khadimiya district of Baghdad
just before 3 p.m. ( 7 a.m. ET) Monday killed the child and critically
wounded two others, according to Iraqi Police Brigadier General Thamir
Sadoun.
The latest deaths bring the number of U.S. troops killed during Operation
Iraqi Freedom to 542 -- 376 under hostile circumstances, according to U.S.
military figures.
http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/0204/14irattack.html
FALLUJAH, Iraq -- Guerrillas shouting "God is great" launched a bold
daylight assault on an Iraqi police station and security compound west of
Baghdad on Saturday, freeing prisoners and sparking a gunbattle that killed
21 people and wounded 33, police and hospital officials said.
The attackers freed 75 prisoners held at the station, killing the guards and
shooting open the cell doors, police Lt. Col. Jalal Sabri said. The
prisoners were criminals - most arrested for murder or theft - and none of
them were suspected of involvement in the anti-U.S. insurgency, Sabri said.
--
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"Speaking the Truth in times of Universal deceit is a revolutionary act." --
George Orwell

Post by GENOMEMAN
Read this excerpt from one of the leading member of Ansar al-Islam, Abu
"We can pack up and leave and look for another land, just like what has
happened in so many lands of jihad," the memo states, according to the
Times. "Our enemy is growing stronger day after day, and its

intelligence

Post by John Shaughnessy

Post by GENOMEMAN
information increases. ... By God, this is suffocation."
http://washingtontimes.com/national/20040209-111042-9241r.htm
Personally, I think this letter shows they are desperate, and "packing up"
like so many libs want us to do, would allow the terrorists to declare
victory.
Discuss....

[Dan Abrams]

John,
You might find this site interesting:
http://www.militarycity.com/valor/honor.html
Dan

Post by John Shaughnessy
I posted this in an earlier thread, and this is the last I'm going to speak
Just like the Palestinians have been "losing" for 50 years? Just like the
IRA "lost" the Troubles? Look what both have gained, and how much damage the
inflicted on their opponents. Unlike your typical John Wayne movie,
Terrorists don't care about conventional "win/lose" notions.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/02/16/sprj.nirq.main/index.html
BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- An Iraqi child and two U.S. soldiers died in three
separate explosions Monday in Iraq, coalition and Iraqi officials said.
An explosion at an elementary school in the Khadimiya district of Baghdad
just before 3 p.m. ( 7 a.m. ET) Monday killed the child and critically
wounded two others, according to Iraqi Police Brigadier General Thamir
Sadoun.
The latest deaths bring the number of U.S. troops killed during Operation
Iraqi Freedom to 542 -- 376 under hostile circumstances, according to U.S.
military figures.
http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/0204/14irattack.html
FALLUJAH, Iraq -- Guerrillas shouting "God is great" launched a bold
daylight assault on an Iraqi police station and security compound west of
Baghdad on Saturday, freeing prisoners and sparking a gunbattle that killed
21 people and wounded 33, police and hospital officials said.
The attackers freed 75 prisoners held at the station, killing the guards and
shooting open the cell doors, police Lt. Col. Jalal Sabri said. The
prisoners were criminals - most arrested for murder or theft - and none of
them were suspected of involvement in the anti-U.S. insurgency, Sabri said.
--
Learning funk bass? visit www.js3jazz.com/store.htm
"Speaking the Truth in times of Universal deceit is a revolutionary act." --
George Orwell

Post by GENOMEMAN
Read this excerpt from one of the leading member of Ansar al-Islam, Abu
"We can pack up and leave and look for another land, just like what has
happened in so many lands of jihad," the memo states, according to the
Times. "Our enemy is growing stronger day after day, and its intelligence
information increases. ... By God, this is suffocation."
http://washingtontimes.com/national/20040209-111042-9241r.htm
Personally, I think this letter shows they are desperate, and "packing up"
like so many libs want us to do, would allow the terrorists to declare
victory.
Discuss....

[Dan Abrams]

John,
You might find this site interesting:
http://www.militarycity.com/valor/honor.html
Dan


_________________________________________________________
If a man among you holds no sin upon his hand,
then let him cast a stone at me for playing in the band.

http://www.bluepearlband.com

[John Shaughnessy]

I'm not really sure what I'm supposed to find "interesting" about soldiers
dying. I think it sucks, but that's what happens when you choose to wage
war.

For what it's worth, I didn't want them there to begin with.

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"Speaking the Truth in times of Universal deceit is a revolutionary act." --
George Orwell

Post by Dan Abrams
John,
http://www.militarycity.com/valor/honor.html
Dan
_________________________________________________________
If a man among you holds no sin upon his hand,
then let him cast a stone at me for playing in the band.
http://www.bluepearlband.com

[Dan Abrams]

It's happening anyway. Has a little more impact when you can put a
name, face and a hometown to
a person beyond the CNN '3 more soldiers' line.

Post by John Shaughnessy
I'm not really sure what I'm supposed to find "interesting" about soldiers
dying. I think it sucks, but that's what happens when you choose to wage
war.
For what it's worth, I didn't want them there to begin with.
--
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"Speaking the Truth in times of Universal deceit is a revolutionary act." --
George Orwell

Post by Dan Abrams
John,
http://www.militarycity.com/valor/honor.html
Dan
_________________________________________________________
If a man among you holds no sin upon his hand,
then let him cast a stone at me for playing in the band.
http://www.bluepearlband.com

[John Shaughnessy]

Agreed.
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"Dan Abrams" <***@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:VQ9Yb.73$***@lakeread03...
It's happening anyway. Has a little more impact when you can put a name, face and a hometown to
a person beyond the CNN '3 more soldiers' line.

John Shaughnessy wrote:

I'm not really sure what I'm supposed to find "interesting" about soldiers
dying. I think it sucks, but that's what happens when you choose to wage
war.

For what it's worth, I didn't want them there to begin with.

--
Learning funk bass? visit www.js3jazz.com/store.htm

"Speaking the Truth in times of Universal deceit is a revolutionary act." --
George Orwell


"Dan Abrams" <***@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:ol6Yb.46577$***@lakeread03...
John,
You might find this site interesting:
http://www.militarycity.com/valor/honor.html
Dan


_________________________________________________________
If a man among you holds no sin upon his hand,
then let him cast a stone at me for playing in the band.

http://www.bluepearlband.com

[Greg C]

Uhm, more people are murdered in Chicago everyday. Should the US pull
out of Chicago?

I can imagine you libs back in WW2 in Normandy - "Oh shit, that guy just
got shot getting off the landing craft! Tell everyone to pull back and
head back to England. Hitler isn't worth this! Nobody told us people
would get hurt!"

[Brad Johnson]

A dumbass can imagine lots of stupid things. You're a perfect example.


;^)
Brad

Subject: Re: We are/are not winning in Iraq
Date: 2/16/2004 5:37 PM Eastern Standard Time
Uhm, more people are murdered in Chicago everyday. Should the US pull
out of Chicago?
I can imagine you libs back in WW2 in Normandy - "Oh shit, that guy just
got shot getting off the landing craft! Tell everyone to pull back and
head back to England. Hitler isn't worth this! Nobody told us people
would get hurt!"

[RonSonic]

Post by Greg C
Uhm, more people are murdered in Chicago everyday. Should the US pull
out of Chicago?
I can imagine you libs back in WW2 in Normandy - "Oh shit, that guy just
got shot getting off the landing craft! Tell everyone to pull back and
head back to England. Hitler isn't worth this! Nobody told us people
would get hurt!"

What makes it sillier is that our losses are far fewer than we had any reason to
expect.

This isn't 5-10 thousand dead, it's almost 550, about two barracks bombings.

See the alternative isn't peace, they'll keep fighting.

Ron

[Scott Dorsey]

Post by Greg C
Uhm, more people are murdered in Chicago everyday. Should the US pull
out of Chicago?

Yes, and probably Detroit also.
--scott

[lbanks]

Please, no more politics......PLEASE!!

Post by GENOMEMAN
Read this excerpt from one of the leading member of Ansar al-Islam, Abu
"We can pack up and leave and look for another land, just like what has
happened in so many lands of jihad," the memo states, according to the
Times. "Our enemy is growing stronger day after day, and its intelligence
information increases. ... By God, this is suffocation."
http://washingtontimes.com/national/20040209-111042-9241r.htm
Personally, I think this letter shows they are desperate, and "packing up"
like so many libs want us to do, would allow the terrorists to declare
victory.
Discuss....

[Todd H.]

Peter, stop. Please. At least in the music newsgroups, OT branded or
not.

[GENOMEMAN]

Only if you kill your 4 line signature!

He he!

Post by Todd H.
Peter, stop. Please. At least in the music newsgroups, OT branded or
not.
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[Todd H.]

Post by GENOMEMAN
Only if you kill your 4 line signature!

My sig is McQ and follows all accepted netiquette guidelines.

Besides, this is an odd request from a man who had the better half of
a Booker T Washington's day of words in his sig not too long ago:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl2444344654d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=yD0a8.58011%24th4.19059323%40news02.optonline.net

Or, my favorite--a 20 line sig of links to your favorite Political
topics.
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl4228871616d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=_A1D7.32597%24C7.10719674%40news02.optonline.net

This, Peter is why you're kept on a short political leash in the music
newsgroups. Thank you for attention to the AGB s/n ratio (this post
not withstanding). You're smarter than this. I've seen it.

Best Regards,

[GENOMEMAN]

Nice research skills!

Post by Todd H.

Post by GENOMEMAN
Only if you kill your 4 line signature!

My sig is McQ and follows all accepted netiquette guidelines.
Besides, this is an odd request from a man who had the better half of

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl2444344654d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=yD0a8.58011%24th4.19059323%40news02.optonline.net

Post by Todd H.
Or, my favorite--a 20 line sig of links to your favorite Political
topics.

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl4228871616d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=_A1D7.32597%24C7.10719674%40news02.optonline.net

Post by Todd H.
This, Peter is why you're kept on a short political leash in the music
newsgroups. Thank you for attention to the AGB s/n ratio (this post
not withstanding). You're smarter than this. I've seen it.
Best Regards,
--
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[Steven Sena]

Caesar's palace, morning glory,
silly human, silly human, silly human race.
(Yes)
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Post by GENOMEMAN
Read this excerpt from one of the leading member of Ansar al-Islam, Abu
"We can pack up and leave and look for another land, just like what has
happened in so many lands of jihad," the memo states, according to the
Times. "Our enemy is growing stronger day after day, and its intelligence
information increases. ... By God, this is suffocation."
http://washingtontimes.com/national/20040209-111042-9241r.htm
Personally, I think this letter shows they are desperate, and "packing up"
like so many libs want us to do, would allow the terrorists to declare
victory.
Discuss....

[Bob Sherunckle]

Post by GENOMEMAN
Read this excerpt from one of the leading member of Ansar al-Islam, Abu
"We can pack up and leave and look for another land, just like what has
happened in so many lands of jihad," the memo states, according to the

Blah blah blah snipped >

Post by GENOMEMAN
Personally, I think this letter shows they are desperate, and "packing up"
like so many libs want us to do, would allow the terrorists to declare
victory.
Discuss....

No thank you - regardless of the OT reference in the subject line, it can
only lead to a poor signal to noise ratio in an otherwise fantastic
newsgroup. Please stop all of this nonsense.

[Jim Anable]

Wait a minute, don't I remember a BIG banner saying "Mission Accomplished"?
It was flying on the Lincoln when GW made his photo-op landing.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/10/28/mission.accomplished/

Civilian deaths: 8,000 to 10,000 http://www.iraqbodycount.net/bodycount.htm
U.S. deaths: 543, FOUR HUNDRED AND THREE SINCE MAY 1st (date of "Mission
Accomplished" banner)! http://www.antiwar.com/casualties/

[Steve Eaton]

Post by Jim Anable
Wait a minute, don't I remember a BIG banner saying "Mission

Accomplished"?

Post by Jim Anable
It was flying on the Lincoln when GW made his photo-op landing.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/10/28/mission.accomplished/

As is entirely appropriate for a ship returning to port after accomplishing
it's mission.

To extrapolate some larger context for that sign requires much in the way
of paritisan spin and large quantities of suspension of disbelief.

Post by Jim Anable
Civilian deaths: 8,000 to 10,000

http://www.iraqbodycount.net/bodycount.htm

Post by Jim Anable
U.S. deaths: 543, FOUR HUNDRED AND THREE SINCE MAY 1st (date of "Mission
Accomplished" banner)! http://www.antiwar.com/casualties/

Cut the spin Jim.
The banner didn't say that the war was over did it?
Neither did Bush.
Stop the partisan spin, it helps nothing.

[Jim Anable]

Post by Jim Anable

Post by Jim Anable
Wait a minute, don't I remember a BIG banner saying "Mission

Accomplished"?

Post by Jim Anable
It was flying on the Lincoln when GW made his photo-op landing.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/10/28/mission.accomplished/

As is entirely appropriate for a ship returning to port after accomplishing
it's mission.
To extrapolate some larger context for that sign requires much in the way
of paritisan spin and large quantities of suspension of disbelief.

The story in the CNN link says: "Navy and administration sources said
that though the banner was the Navy's
idea, the White House actually made it."

Would the White House have made such a banner if it wasn't part of GW's
publicity stunt and photo-op?

Post by Jim Anable

Post by Jim Anable
Civilian deaths: 8,000 to 10,000

http://www.iraqbodycount.net/bodycount.htm

Post by Jim Anable
U.S. deaths: 543, FOUR HUNDRED AND THREE SINCE MAY 1st (date of "Mission
Accomplished" banner)! http://www.antiwar.com/casualties/

Cut the spin Jim.
The banner didn't say that the war was over did it?
Neither did Bush.

In his speech, Bush declared victory in the battle of Iraq. However, Bush now
admits that his declaration of the end of major combat was a MISTAKE.

[Brad Johnson]

Nah, Bush visits all seafaring vessels when their "mission" is "accomplished".


LOL


;^)
Brad

Subject: Re: OT: We are/are not winning in Iraq
Date: 2/16/2004 6:58 PM Eastern Standard Time

Post by Jim Anable

Post by Jim Anable
Wait a minute, don't I remember a BIG banner saying "Mission

Accomplished"?

Post by Jim Anable
It was flying on the Lincoln when GW made his photo-op landing.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/10/28/mission.accomplished/

As is entirely appropriate for a ship returning to port after accomplishing
it's mission.
To extrapolate some larger context for that sign requires much in the way
of paritisan spin and large quantities of suspension of disbelief.

The story in the CNN link says: "Navy and administration sources said
that though the banner was the Navy's
idea, the White House actually made it."
Would the White House have made such a banner if it wasn't part of GW's
publicity stunt and photo-op?

Post by Jim Anable

Post by Jim Anable
Civilian deaths: 8,000 to 10,000

http://www.iraqbodycount.net/bodycount.htm

Post by Jim Anable
U.S. deaths: 543, FOUR HUNDRED AND THREE SINCE MAY 1st (date of "Mission
Accomplished" banner)! http://www.antiwar.com/casualties/

Cut the spin Jim.
The banner didn't say that the war was over did it?
Neither did Bush.

In his speech, Bush declared victory in the battle of Iraq. However, Bush now
admits that his declaration of the end of major combat was a MISTAKE.

[GENOMEMAN]

Post by Jim Anable

Post by Jim Anable

Post by Jim Anable
Wait a minute, don't I remember a BIG banner saying "Mission

Accomplished"?

Post by Jim Anable
It was flying on the Lincoln when GW made his photo-op landing.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/10/28/mission.accomplished/

As is entirely appropriate for a ship returning to port after accomplishing
it's mission.
To extrapolate some larger context for that sign requires much in the way
of paritisan spin and large quantities of suspension of disbelief.

The story in the CNN link says: "Navy and administration sources said
that though the banner was the Navy's
idea, the White House actually made it."
Would the White House have made such a banner if it wasn't part of GW's
publicity stunt and photo-op?

LOL!! Would have Bush even invaded Iraq in the first place for a "photo op?"

[Jim Anable]

Post by Steve Eaton

Post by Jim Anable

Post by Jim Anable

Post by Jim Anable
Wait a minute, don't I remember a BIG banner saying "Mission

Accomplished"?

Post by Jim Anable
It was flying on the Lincoln when GW made his photo-op landing.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/10/28/mission.accomplished/

As is entirely appropriate for a ship returning to port after

accomplishing

Post by Jim Anable

Post by Jim Anable
it's mission.
To extrapolate some larger context for that sign requires much in the

way

Post by Jim Anable

Post by Jim Anable
of paritisan spin and large quantities of suspension of disbelief.

The story in the CNN link says: "Navy and administration sources said
that though the banner was the Navy's
idea, the White House actually made it."
Would the White House have made such a banner if it wasn't part of GW's
publicity stunt and photo-op?

LOL!! Would have Bush even invaded Iraq in the first place for a "photo op?"

My personal opinion is that it was destined to happen, for any or NO reason at
all. I said it during the election, to the protest of Republican friends and
family: "If GW is elected, there will be a war with Iraq."

How many Republicans still believe that we were told the truth about the reasons
for war (Saddam has WMD, Saddam is trying to buy "yellow cake", Saddam has an
advanced nuclear program, Saddam played a role in 9/11...)?

Meanwhile, Bin Laden is free, and N. Korea flaunts their nuclear program.

[mark]

Post by Jim Anable

Post by GENOMEMAN

Post by Jim Anable

Post by Steve Eaton

Post by Jim Anable
Wait a minute, don't I remember a BIG banner saying "Mission
Accomplished"? It was flying on the Lincoln when GW made his
photo-op landing.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/10/28/mission.accomplished/

As is entirely appropriate for a ship returning to port after
accomplishing it's mission.
To extrapolate some larger context for that sign requires much in the

way

Post by Jim Anable

Post by Steve Eaton
of paritisan spin and large quantities of suspension of disbelief.

The story in the CNN link says: "Navy and administration sources
said that though the banner was the Navy's
idea, the White House actually made it."
Would the White House have made such a banner if it wasn't part of
GW's publicity stunt and photo-op?

LOL!! Would have Bush even invaded Iraq in the first place for a "photo op?"

My personal opinion is that it was destined to happen, for any or NO
reason at all. I said it during the election, to the protest of
Republican friends and family: "If GW is elected, there will be a
war with Iraq."
How many Republicans still believe that we were told the truth about
the reasons for war (Saddam has WMD, Saddam is trying to buy "yellow
cake", Saddam has an advanced nuclear program, Saddam played a role
in 9/11...)?
Meanwhile, Bin Laden is free, and N. Korea flaunts their nuclear program.

The problem is that you liberlas don't understand politics, and the
therefore the true reason for going into Iraq and taking ot - we needed to
show our might in order to force the other islamic countries into stopping
the free reign they were allowing in regards to terrorism (islamic
militancy) and WMD. Libya has complied. Saudi Arabia is doing their best.
And the US now has a central base to wage war against any front from the
middle east that is necessary.

Mission accomplished.

[Brad Johnson]

Thank goodness conservatives have this whole politics thing down.


It just gets dumber and dumber around here.


Brad

Subject: Re: OT: We are/are not winning in Iraq
Date: 2/16/2004 9:10 PM Eastern Standard Time

Post by Jim Anable

Post by GENOMEMAN

Post by Jim Anable

Post by Steve Eaton

Post by Jim Anable
Wait a minute, don't I remember a BIG banner saying "Mission
Accomplished"? It was flying on the Lincoln when GW made his
photo-op landing.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/10/28/mission.accomplished/

As is entirely appropriate for a ship returning to port after
accomplishing it's mission.
To extrapolate some larger context for that sign requires much in the

way

Post by Jim Anable

Post by Steve Eaton
of paritisan spin and large quantities of suspension of disbelief.

The story in the CNN link says: "Navy and administration sources
said that though the banner was the Navy's
idea, the White House actually made it."
Would the White House have made such a banner if it wasn't part of
GW's publicity stunt and photo-op?

LOL!! Would have Bush even invaded Iraq in the first place for a "photo op?"

My personal opinion is that it was destined to happen, for any or NO
reason at all. I said it during the election, to the protest of
Republican friends and family: "If GW is elected, there will be a
war with Iraq."
How many Republicans still believe that we were told the truth about
the reasons for war (Saddam has WMD, Saddam is trying to buy "yellow
cake", Saddam has an advanced nuclear program, Saddam played a role
in 9/11...)?
Meanwhile, Bin Laden is free, and N. Korea flaunts their nuclear program.

The problem is that you liberlas don't understand politics, and the
therefore the true reason for going into Iraq and taking ot - we needed to
show our might in order to force the other islamic countries into stopping
the free reign they were allowing in regards to terrorism (islamic
militancy) and WMD. Libya has complied. Saudi Arabia is doing their best.
And the US now has a central base to wage war against any front from the
middle east that is necessary.
Mission accomplished.

[Dude]

Post by Brad Johnson
It just gets dumber and dumber around here.

Yeah especially when you enter the conversaation Brad...at least PD links in
some shit to read once in a while.

Fuck you asshole!

Stay off the Pit fuckface...keep your ass on Talkbass with the kids!

[Brad Johnson]

Thanks, Steve. I rarely went on the Pit anyway.

Am I banned?

;^)
Brad

Subject: Re: OT: We are/are not winning in Iraq
Date: 2/17/2004 4:50 AM Eastern Standard Time

Post by Brad Johnson
It just gets dumber and dumber around here.

Yeah especially when you enter the conversaation Brad...at least PD links in
some shit to read once in a while.
Fuck you asshole!
Stay off the Pit fuckface...keep your ass on Talkbass with the kids!

[Brad Johnson]

BTW I noticed the timestamp.

tea time?

LOL
Brad

Subject: Re: OT: We are/are not winning in Iraq
Date: 2/17/2004 4:50 AM Eastern Standard Time

Post by Brad Johnson
It just gets dumber and dumber around here.

Yeah especially when you enter the conversaation Brad...at least PD links in
some shit to read once in a while.
Fuck you asshole!
Stay off the Pit fuckface...keep your ass on Talkbass with the kids!

[Dude]

Post by Brad Johnson
BTW I noticed the timestamp.
tea time?

LOL yourself dipshit...nope just up late drinking a cup of java.

[Brad Johnson]

LOL again.

;^)
Brad

Subject: Re: OT: We are/are not winning in Iraq
Date: 2/17/2004 2:02 PM Eastern Standard Time

Post by Brad Johnson
BTW I noticed the timestamp.
tea time?

LOL yourself dipshit...nope just up late drinking a cup of java.

[Brad Johnson]

See you and the kids at TB.

;^)
Brad

Subject: Re: OT: We are/are not winning in Iraq
Date: 2/17/2004 2:02 PM Eastern Standard Time

Post by Brad Johnson
BTW I noticed the timestamp.
tea time?

LOL yourself dipshit...nope just up late drinking a cup of java.